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Posted - 2016.08.15 09:49:24 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:morion wrote:A better way to determine a alt player from a new player. How would this bring more new players into the game? Not beinf flippant. I'm genuinely curious how CCP making this change would be a way we players can help as per the OP.
over time it would increase trust, but its not 100% determinable even for ccp who really is a new player.
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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Posted - 2016.08.15 09:53:34 -
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Natural CloneKiller wrote:How can we as the community help ccp bring more players into the game?
Post your ideas here. Be direct so ccp can clearly see your ideas.
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There should be a single organized effort.
As long as we act seperately of each other we have no chance of causing something,
because our division will be used against us.
Besides... wrong subforum (sorry).
if you want people to bring in more new players, use a classic approach.
Organize and swarm forums on the web.
It's a classic and proven approach.
If your question is "how can we make people sub" ...
... the answer is organize and swarm the noobcorps.
hook them with excitement and adrenaline, but NOT with richness.
Richness creates apathy.
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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Posted - 2016.08.15 12:13:59 -
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Max Fubarticus wrote:Natural CloneKiller wrote:How can we as the community help ccp bring more players into the game?
Post your ideas here. Be direct so ccp can clearly see your ideas.
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Your generation loves the social media. Use it. CCP has the fiduciary responsibility to ensure the game is marketed to the targeted audience. The community reinforces that by knocking over other players sandcastles and creating a wide variety of content. Not hard really. or... You could community organize, write petitions, threaten CCP with a boycott, create snappy slogans like "Noob Lives Matter" and march around with signs, riot and loot,create safe spaces,in-game pop up dialogue box with trigger warnings, and last but not least...a single toilet open to all regardless of the pronoun that precedes you characters name. LOL  Love and kisses Max
While good ideas, I don't think (s)he asked for this.
She didn't want to get CCP to do things for her ...
... she wants to do that herself.
Though of course it doesn't hurt to sting poke CCP as well. ;)
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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Posted - 2016.08.16 04:14:26 -
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Anyone in here suggesting any new mechanics or npc bullshit completely misses the point ...
... and should be put into spacetar and spacefeathers.
Anyone asking CCP to change things as much, considering their track record.
Every single one who isn't willing to do anything himself ...
... and who as usual wants tk give "helpful ideas" to ccp is exactly a part of the problem.
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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Posted - 2016.08.16 04:16:35 -
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Natural CloneKiller wrote:How can we as the community help ccp bring more players into the game?
Post your ideas here. Be direct so ccp can clearly see your ideas.
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I feel like you should have expanded on this ...
... because most seem to only do the predictable ...
... and don't really care at all.
Just drivel and "ccp has to do this or that".
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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Posted - 2016.08.16 08:51:29 -
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hey op. if you wanna work together send me a mail.
most people here are just too much forum warrior to ever actually do anything that-¦s not selfish.
and maybe report the trolls.
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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Posted - 2016.08.16 09:51:02 -
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Bishop Bob wrote:Eve's playerbase grows when there is an increase in conflict, so stop farming and start fighting.
sadly ccp nerfed most possibilities for social interaction and conflict in highsec ...
... where also all the noobs start to play.
they also pushed "be lawfull" into the minds of new players by adding a security button and suspect status.
inb4 people not being able to think about it and me having to explain it in detail...
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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Posted - 2016.08.16 12:07:03 -
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We should all listen to serene who knows best, even better than ccp, and who is the only one who can legitimately point out vitriol, because she's the only one who doesn't spread it.
Aaahhh, life is so good with our supreme overlord and saviour of the whole game, serene repose.
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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Posted - 2016.08.16 16:29:13 -
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Veers Belvar.
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Posted - 2016.08.16 16:40:05 -
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Bingo.
Would you two please stop lettingthe troll constantly manipulating your egos?
Be better than that and stop feeding him.
You're ruining it for everyone else as his tools.
You want that? I doubt it.
Thanks.
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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Posted - 2016.08.16 16:41:44 -
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Thanks!
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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Posted - 2016.08.16 21:20:24 -
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Chickenclaw wrote:CCP needs to find a way to drive conflict back to LS/NS/WH's, and out of HS. When you have more ships getting blown up in what is supposed to be the "safe" area of Eve than the dangerous ones, there is a problem.
Every time someone says ccp has to do something ......
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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Posted - 2016.08.18 10:10:46 -
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March rabbit wrote:The girl on the last picture in pretty but where are results of this 'science'? You know: numbers like they provided on two other pictures? I'm sure if they have nice numbers they would show it? But they didn't? Instead they made pretty wide conclusion which would be happily accepted by players on Fan-Fest. PR you know.... It would be really interesting to see real data they have collected.
You make no sense.
Stop ignoring reality, please.
They increased security in highsec for years ...
... and they made a push for a society of "lawfull" behaviour.
Now you make it look like they actually favour the ganker/pvp crowd.
That does not make any sense.
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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Posted - 2016.08.18 12:22:39 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:
Whales have moved to SC or elsewhere where they will have more power, and spaceships are not their main focus.
Thats' actually backwards.
EVE is the only game i hear of where the players still have power and aren't treated like stupid, easily manipulatable idiots. Whales don't have "power with their wallets". They're literally cows being milked for their money and eventually they are being thrown away. Then they go seek the next game that only aims at milking them from their money.
Related: korean MMOs
Specific example: ArcheAge.
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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Posted - 2016.08.19 01:13:11 -
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20xx called...
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Posted - 2016.08.19 09:17:53 -
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No one is mentioning the fact that IZ is back ...
... and even has threads in F&I, which are of the usual quality.
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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Posted - 2016.08.19 11:01:37 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Serene Repose wrote:More empty rhetoric
Not empty quoting. Seriously though, were you planning on addressing anything I've said related to the topic, or are you just going to continue having a stroke at me?
That's really a common approach.
It kind of saddens me that there's so many who fall for it.
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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Posted - 2016.08.19 12:47:28 -
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Gimme Sake wrote: By definition the word universe implies there is a rich amount of lore that sets interaction up. In time Eve lore has become less and less signifiant, just a pretext for isk or kill farming. You might say lore is given by players but that sort of lore is most of the time a lesson about game mechanics enticing most of the students to timely spam the dscan, align or f1 buttons.
There's a considerable amount of players who like to roleplay their characters in a given setting and the only alternatives they get in eve is a mischevious "pirate", ruthless merc, greedy vacuum (pve site) cleaner or peaceful afk victim.
There are no surprising achivement to keep players imagination active, only the endless grind of trial and error rewarded with pretty much the same thing. One might chuckle associating the term political corectness to various mechanics available in the game while knowing how arbitray and devoid of meaning the notion is.
Outside of combat pvp encounters, of the consensual kind, there isn't much of the unpredictable element that might keep a player constantly running in anticipation of rare success. The only chanllenge comes from mastering evasive timed actions; not sure how many players consider it an achievemnt and how many only another chore.
The little information hinting at satisfying rewards a new player might discover comes mainly from veteran players biased by their preferences, interests or style of play, while the in game info mentioning fabulous richess translates into common if not vulgar treasures, like sleeper cache libraries for example, that are also the result grind.
With a learning curve and skill queue equivalent in length with a college degree and mastery any new player would and will seriously consider if their time, actively spent in front of the keyboard, is worth investment in a game where survival (because that's what Eve is about right?) means, for most veteran players, a generous stash of plex stored neatly in the safety of an npc station.
Your definition of "universe" is kind of flawed. Lore in EVE is not restricted to what CCP writes down, unless you mean the officiql one per se. Everyone in EVE can create a part of the story involving a lot of people.
I agree on the amount of career choices, but disagree with that there aren't any options beyond that. The bigger issue is that for a long time people only ever get pushed into what CCP laid out for them and most people are really bad at not being sheeps and followers. To a great part people are making their game "unimaginative" themselves and CCP definitely is an enabler.
"Outside of combat pvp encounters, of the consensual kind, there isn't much of the unpredictable element that might keep a player constantly running in anticipation of rare success."
This reads completely backwards.
Consensual combat isn't unpredictable, else it would be non-consensual.
Unless you mean "fair fights" which still have less unpredictability than non-consensual combat.
Can you elaborate on this?
Your post as a whole reads a bit bitter with the attempt of staying logical.
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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Posted - 2016.08.19 13:24:38 -
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Gimme Sake wrote: It takes years to be able to pilot certain ships. Sarcams takes only a few seconds to master depending on the environment. I suggest you save that stale cheekyness of yours for reddit karma.
Some ships, yes, but definitely not the majority so this is completely blown out of proportions.
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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Posted - 2016.08.19 17:06:35 -
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Viktor Amarr wrote:Drago Shouna wrote:Viktor Amarr wrote:EVE is a PVP game through and through, there are very little activities within EVE that are pure PVE. Having PVE doesn't somehow prove that this game isn't about PVP.
In fact, PVE in EVE was literally an after thought. This is easily proven by how ****** the NPC are and how even more ****** and terrible they were for the first decade of the game. CCP went "oh crap uhm PVE you say... we'll just sprinkle in some NPC with basic AI and it'll be done, who cares" kind of way. The AI, quality of the missions etc etc is crap because it never was CCP's goal to make it good, because PVE wasn't a focus at all.
This all doesn't mean you can't do or aren't allowed to do PVE. You can focus on PVE just fine and perhaps even get away with it but stating that EVE is a PVE game is akin to putting your fingers in your ears and going "LALALA I can't HEAR you!". Reality doesn't go away if you close your eyes and wish it to vanish. Oh look another one utterly and completely ignoring the op and jumping on the bandwagon with other regulars turning this into another threadnaught about pvp vs pve.....which wasn't the point of the thread. So we have some trying to come up with suggestions about getting and keeping players in the game, and others intent on derailing the thread and getting it locked....way to go :/ Discussions can change as they go along, deal with it. In fact, a quick glance shows that you post about the PVP<>PVE thing yourself. You just don't like what I stated and like all carebears would rather that people who don't agree with you (especially if they make good points) would shut up. Because that is the carebear way: Stifle any sort of competitive interaction.
Please don't go there, you'd just argue around and end the thread.
It would take at least a month until a proper new one gets created and not just locked. :/
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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Posted - 2016.08.20 09:24:34 -
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Kenrailae wrote:Re-do literally the entire Tutorial/NPE, and actually make it informative. Why are new players being started in Cistuvaert, for example, when all their career agents are in Clellinon, and only being given a mail that really doesn't mean anything to them because they just logged in for the first time, don't even know how to set a destination. (gallente)
The flight school video's are a HUGE step in the right direction, but stuff like that needs to be IN game, not just sitting on youtube.
Also, while these opportunities are 'nice,' but they need to not directly conflict with the purpose of the tutorial. Either they need to be massively beefed up to BE the tutorial, or introduced during or after the tutorials.
New tutorials change nothing. I'll step on your toe with this, but I doubt you have any idea how they should work and thinm the current ones are bad.
While not wrong per se, considering history they're not needed.
We have them, because CCP started attempting players of lower quality compared to past ones.
There is no tutorial in the world that can replace proper interaction with others. Zero. None. Zilch.
The real issue is relying on authority, CCP, to do the job players not only should be doing ...
... but also could be doing in a much better way than any tutorials involving NPCs.
CCP is struggling with new players for self made reasons.
It's like asking banks to fix the economy they deliberately ruined for their own profits ...
... aka a simple minded approach and not how things should work.
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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Posted - 2016.08.20 09:37:32 -
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Kenrailae wrote:
Well, I'll go so far as to say what you think you know and what you actually know are two entirely different things. And I'm not going to waste my time trying to inform you since you've already made up your mind.
Okay ...
So you indirectly and unintentionally admit that big brother should take care of things you think need to be adressed, obviously in the ways you think they should, instead of adressing them yourself. Which you could.
But you don't want to, because you don't care.
All you have is an opinion.
like, holy ****, "ccp needs to make new tutorials" is a completely empty sentence without value, ignoring that they did a few times already without fixing the underlying issues! And you here proclaim "what you think you know and what you know are two different things". Holy **** batman, stop being an ignorant servant like the rest of them!
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Posted - 2016.08.20 10:39:55 -
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Kenrailae wrote:As I said. What you think you know and what you know are two entirely different things. Since you've already shown me there is no point in trying to talk to you because you think you have it all figured out, I won't waste my time :) Keep flamin'
You obviously only ever apply this to others ...
... else you knew that it applies to you here.
You repeat the same things others have repeated ovee the years ...
... ignoring that it never fixed the issue ...
... and you're even smug about it.
Throwing around phrases that allow you to run away seems to be your thing, i guess.
And worse, you mistake my words for flaming.
I know, weaklings call everyone who opposes their nonsense trolls, etc ...
... but there is no need to be so insecure that you have to bug out.
It's the internet. I won't hurt you. I promise. :)
So do you have any actual things to say or are those empty, continuously heard phrases above all you have?
Clearly you think you know what or hey they should replace the NPE (with).
So?
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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Posted - 2016.08.20 11:29:26 -
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Kenrailae wrote:Good fight Solecist :)
Meh, we can do better than that.
I know you're in Scope. I am aware of Scope and CAS (of which you're aware as well) are the best communities out there and absolutely a sign of how it needs to be done to improve retention-rate*.
The last wave of the NPE, Opportunities, were primarily meant to increase retention-rate ...
... not to teach ...
... which needs to he taken into account.
The tutorials whole purpose wasn't teaching, either. It was increasing retention rate by the means of addressing all those who struggle with learning by themselves. (which is inargueably possible)
The opportunities intend to "show the world", "inspire" and "encourage activity".
See ... if you had said anything based on your experience with Scope this would have started completely differently. The tutorials are "fine" as is, there will always be complainers to which you have been probably talking quite a lot. Consider the primary goal of the tutorials, increasing player retention*, to move aside that they are flawed in terms of teaching.
Also please always consider that CCP barely has any idea what to do ...
... and that they've spent the last years trying to figure it out.
Rubicon, iirc, marks the beginning of the "new era".
Since then they attempt, test, experiment and learn about how they could make more players stick for a long time.
And now I ask you, sincerely...
Why you would want any these things you've mentioned addressed?
Are you really sure there aren't better ways to increase retention-rate*?
And after that I will tell you how you are a part of the literal goldmine ...
... not seeing the trees because of all the wood.
k? :)
*( A freshly subbed new player is more than a gain in subscriptions. It's a loss of ckncerns as well.
He is committed, which means that the teaching part is fully covered. He will learn, because there's no way he won't. The amount of people committing to a sub without even knowing if they can learn the game is a neglectable sub1%. Proof is that 99.9% players you come across know well enough about game mechanics to keep playing.
That is why the primary goal isn't teaching, but retention-rate ...
... and why there are better ways of reaching that goal than redoing the same old ****. Again.)
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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Posted - 2016.08.20 11:56:49 -
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Drago Shouna wrote:I have pointed out the packs available to new players that don't scream pvp.
THIS! YES! I've been mentioning this very often! Six bucks miner packs!
Account codes with prototype booster, skillbooks and a venture!
It's nuts!
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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Posted - 2016.08.20 13:39:59 -
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That's a lot to adress, but before i get to that do i have to wonder:
Why aren't you trying to grab some and just do something?
I can do that if you want to?
in 30 minutes?
Tell them to get frigates and gather at a place around there, i will come and pick them up.
Anyone who can fit a combat probe launcher and knows how to use them should do so.
More after my arrival.
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This isn't meant insulting or condescending, but ...
it's really not that ******* hard to just ask for people to pick them up.
The rest works out by itself.
The "learning by doing" approach works for the vast majority of people.
Okay so now it's ... okay... at 14:15? What time is it... aaahhhh ... lol
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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Posted - 2016.08.20 14:02:27 -
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I offered just now.
My approach would be vastly different and far more immersive.
I'm not yet convincede you read whole posts. ^_^
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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